Speaker 1: 0:20

Hey everybody, ryan Garland here, founder and chairman of Paradigm, thank you for joining us today. You are on the Paradigm Shift. We are sponsored by 10 Day Doors PMG. They are dealing with all of our steel manufacturing for the famous barn caves. But today I am honored to have Steve Reed here.

Speaker 1: 0:34

He's with Sandcastle Pools and today you are going to be honored with his presence and we're honored with his presence because he's going to share a little bit about his background and he is the contractor we brought on to build the Dubai-inspired pool at the Barn Caves Community Center.

Speaker 1: 0:52

So, as you guys know, we like to brag about how much we align with the right people to put them in the right slots, to develop the right projects and for all of my investors and clients out there, you guys are relying on me to make good decisions and bring in the right people, and this is a little way to show you down to our pool contractor why it is we chose him and I'm going to let him take the mic for a while because he's got a very impressive background and, in fact, anybody who needs a pool whether it's a remodel or build new this is going to be your guy, so you're going to be very impressed with them. I, the more time I spend with them, I'm more impressed as a human as well, and, uh, and I think this is really cool. So, steve, thanks for joining me here.

Speaker 2: 1:30

Thank you. Well, first I want to say, uh, thanks for giving me the opportunity on that job. Uh, super excited. Uh, I think where I'm at, if the bigger scale projects don't keep coming, I'm going to have to leave Lake Havasu. So, thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 1: 1:48

Of course. Well, you know you were highly recommended. A lot of contractors that I'm working with on other projects, you know, said that you're the man and I, you know, the referral source and word of mouth is really key and this is such a small town and you know, to be able to find the right guys for the right slots is really difficult. I mean, that's a whole other labor conversation, right, but you know, on top of you, you know having I think you guys are doing the public pool over at the Riviera.

Speaker 2: 2:17

Yeah, we just wrapped it up, yeah looks great, we're working through some final details over there, final details over there, but yeah, it's all done.

Speaker 1: 2:22

And they're going to be very selective. I love that group over there and how what they developed and kind of how they operate, and I really respect their operation overall, but for them to choose you to do that pool, that's a spoke volumes of the caliber of what you do, and then, obviously, being able to see the finished product does obviously, uh, they were right about you, so it was perfect, man. So, like, I think what I really want to do is I'll let you take control over the mic for a minute. I want you to talk a little bit about your background.

Speaker 1: 2:45

You said you've been doing this for over 20 years and I give a lot of people respect a bit in the business, especially through the 2008 crash because you really had to pivot, hence the name Paradigm having to shift to try to survive, especially if you had a family. At that time I did, and it was a really tough time for me. But I would say that through those tough times is what built my brand. It really is who we are today, because I want to be more conservative and I never want to go back through that financial hardship, and so a lot of guys that I align with seem to kind of have that same stake in their heart. They just don't want to go through that again.

Speaker 1: 3:16

So I give a lot of respect to business owners who are really been able to power through that and then create infrastructure for security and stability and, from what I understand and what I've seen so far, you've, you're that type of man. So let's talk a little bit about your background. Man, where'd you start? I know you like long walks on the beach and all, but let's talk about where you started.

Speaker 2: 3:36

So, uh, I started building pools when I was 15. Uh, I used to know this girl named Lisa. She was head of, uh, the building association. I used to know this girl named Lisa, she was head of the building association, and I remember going to her and asking her who's the biggest pool builder in town? I want to get a job, I want to work for the biggest company, I want to learn, I want to grow, and at the time that ended up being Mojave. So I started there digging trenches. I remember my interview. A guy named Ken Cook hired me and I remember him telling me he's like you're not going to go to college. And I was like, no, I got to start making money. And he's like, kid, I'm going to work you so hard I'm going to make you wish you went to college. And I remember thinking to myself I saw that as a challenge.

Speaker 2: 4:25

I worked with a crew full of Mexicans, started digging trenches, grew through that tie in rebar, mastered that and went on to plumbing, became proficient in that part, started setting tile, coping, operating equipment, excavating pools. I was on a Shock Creek crew for a few years, plaster crew for a few years. So I really spent a lot of time in start to finish construction, which the buildup of everything I went through to where I'm at now doing design and project managing and things like that. It really gave me a good foundation to understand how to prevent. You know problems, risk management and you know especially when you're talking about swimming pools you know bodies of water, water's very. You know it's corrosive, it very. You know we got to build these vessels that are supposed to hold water and not damage things around, that are supposed to sit in place and there's a lot that goes into it.

Speaker 2: 5:32

And uh, I so, after I, I think I worked there for maybe 10 years, maybe a little longer, and then, uh, I felt like I had a really good grasp on the business, at least the construction side, which at the time, as a young I'm still young, but you know young kid I thought I was ready to go. So I ended up getting my contractor's license this was early on and I actually it was called Bay Pools and I built pools. I did a handful of pools. Uh, things were going really good went through a divorce, same thing, um, but I had some failure there. I wasn't quite ready, I didn't have everything I needed on the business side of it and ultimately that was the real kind of nail in the coffin. So, uh, you know, when you have a failure you can do one of two things Either you can give up or you know. It's kind of that mindset yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2: 6:37

I'm going to show people that you know I, I'm good at doing this. I just wasn't good at everything, so uh that's what I do.

Speaker 1: 6:47

I know what I'm good at. I just hire people to fill in the spots I'm suck at, man. That's my strength is identifying what I suck at nowadays.

Speaker 2: 6:54

So uh, I built pools. Actually funny story I met, uh, the guys at the Riviera like Luke Still Michael Gordon. Uh, when I was 18 I actually I remodeled Luke Still Michael Gordon when I was 18, actually I remodeled Luke Still's pool as like a side job owner builder. And when I had Bay it was still when the Riviera was being talked about I sat in on meetings when they're talking about building rooftop pools and kind of went through you know a lot of the risk and things that need to happen and what they're up against, potential costs and things like that. So early on I kind of had a leg in with them. But then when you talk about how many years later, when they actually got stuff going and the growth of 10 years later.

Speaker 2: 7:37

yeah, and the growth that I had, you know a few conversations in and you know just that relationship that we had had and uh. So that's how I ended up landing that um and and we're building another pool for them. They're doing three in the riviera um. But to get back to what I was saying, when I, after bay pools, you know I shut everything down and had that failure. Uh, I went to work at sandcastle so I'm not actually the owner of sandcastle, if you don't know that, by the way, a guy named brock kessler he owns the company um, myself and two guys that work for me. We all went to work there and I got on there doing, uh, design sales, and then that ended up turning into some project management stuff, just because of the background that I have and everything was going good.

Speaker 2: 8:36

But I kind of felt, you know, when you come from being a guy out in the field actually building with your hands, and then you go into an office setting where you're designing which is cool, I love designing and you know that whole part of it but I just felt this part of me that you know I was missing something, like I needed to be out there building. So the first couple of years I was like you know well, let me go out there in the summertime, you know the guys are behind on plumbing. Let me plumb a pool. You know well, let me go out there in the summertime, you know the guys are behind on plumbing. Let me plumb a pool, you know, let me tile some. And I did. But you know, I started to figure out that wasn't what needed to happen. You know, we needed to focus on growing the guys. I couldn't go in and do that and things wouldn't operate efficiently that way. And so, uh, I ended up finding a university called Watershape University. So I've been going there for about three years now and they teach the science of pool construction.

Speaker 2: 9:35

So what happens in concrete during the curing process? What does a concrete matrix look like under a microscope? You know what does a concrete matrix look like what under a microscope? Um, hydraulics and the math behind what size pipe you need to move. You know x amount of gpms of water and thermo expansion on materials and how to plan for it. And you really start to learn the detail. Geo you know geotechnical issues and being able to visually identify soil, potential soils issues and the process of properly walking someone through uh to build out a set of construction documents on a swimming pool that you won't have a failure on. So getting in that set, I just you know you get in a room full of the top pool builders in the world are teaching these classes. You know, if you look into it, it's guys like rick chafee and uh dave peterson and uh bill drakely who sits on. You know aci, which is, you know, american concrete institute, and you know all these top dog professionals. You, you know, and you come from a place like havasu where you think you're doing great.

Speaker 2: 10:43

It's like oh yeah we're the best in town. You start to realize there are guys so much smarter than you. So that whole process and timeline in my life was very humbling and I've really been focusing on, you know, learning the fine details in the science behind pool construction. And since I've started going in the science behind pool construction and since I've started going I've been it's made a huge difference. You know, I can walk on site and I I feel more confident about you know, building pools off cliff sides. We were talking about that. You know the project.

Speaker 2: 11:15

I have going for Tony, that's in the Riviera as well, correct? Yeah, so a lot, of, a lot of other pool builders were walking up there scared they wouldn't touch it, but they don't know the process of how to approach it, and you learn that when you seek that education, it's passion driven.

Speaker 1: 11:32

For me, well, something like that would be an engineering nightmare, correct and safety nightmare. Right. They're not doing it right.

Speaker 2: 11:41

Right.

Speaker 1: 11:42

Now you were talking about prior to us jumping on, and what happened in 2008? You said you started traveling.

Speaker 2: 11:46

So, oh, I, I still worked for Mojave pools and things came to a standstill here Pretty much. You know, as we all know, anyone who was around here during that time.

Speaker 1: 11:58

So it was dead, dead, yeah, I mean pretty much everywhere for the most part but, here definitely cause. This was a secondary market retirement community. Yeah, it's dead.

Speaker 2: 12:05

I think I mean pretty much everywhere for the most part, but here definitely, because we did a few in Roswell, new Mexico, and, uh, you know, we were traveling all over and then, uh, one of our friends was down in the Virgin islands on St Thomas on vacation. They had had an earthquake and what they were doing out there where they were building, pour in place pools, so they pour the floor, then pour the walls, then they have a cold joint, weren't you know? He weighs in, earthquake happens separates, pools leaking. They had no way to build a monolithic structure, concrete structure for a pool. So we went up there with the idea, or, you know, bart's just shipped a container, a gunite rig and, you know, ended up there was a few remodel jobs and then he ended up landing the jobs for Jeff Epstein on, uh, little St James was the name of his Island.

Speaker 2: 13:13

So, uh, I spent over a year on his Island building two massive pools Um wow, yeah, it was a good time it was, it was fun. I mean at the time I had heard about you know everything going on, but I was 20 years old, I didn't care about any of that, you know it was just. I'm in the Virgin islands.

Speaker 1: 13:37

I got a house on the beach.

Speaker 2: 13:38

You know, I could throw a rock into the you know the ocean, so um, but I remember one time uh, so we had one of his pools completely dug. I just finished plumbing it. All the rebar was tied, everything was ready to go. We were ready for inspection. He's like well, let me you know everything looks good, let me get up in the helicopter and take a look at it and just make sure everything's good and comes.

Speaker 2: 14:05

You know he does that, comes back down and he's like nah, it's got to be three foot closer to the ocean. We had to rip out half that pool and, because you can't just excavate a pool, three more feet yeah, everything's bar. Yeah, it's a whole different level, yeah so saw, cut everything, ripped out half the pool, all the plumbing, you know, moved it, you know, three foot closer and I remember at the time I was upset, but then I'm like, well, it just means I get to be in the Virgin Islands.

Speaker 1: 14:33

And he's going to pay you more money. Yeah, we got paid more.

Speaker 2: 14:36

But yeah, really cool experience. I spent like two years out there. Met you know a handful of friends, some of them still live there. Met you know a handful of friends, some of them still live there, uh, super cool area to be, to just see that different mindset, you know so.

Speaker 1: 14:53

And now then you came back here. What did you end up coming back?

Speaker 2: 14:55

so when it's hard to remember when things started picking back up for me it was like 13, 14, 14 ish.

Speaker 1: 15:03

I started feeling a huge shift right.

Speaker 2: 15:05

So I think I came back here you know, around town well when we finished track. I would come back for like a couple weeks at a time during those two, two years, um, and then somewhere around 2013, 2014. And then I ended up leaving Mojave at that point, and then, uh, I went to work for sand castle.

Speaker 1: 15:34

Got it so well, man, when, when we reached out to you, you know, dennis, I think, made that connection Right. So I was like, dude, we're building a pool. I need the best of the best period into story because I want to mimic the same pool in Dubai called club drift, right and beach club drift. And I'm I'm like cause my wife and I uh had spent some time there and I absolutely loved that place and it was so cool because I think what the impact for me was, just the people that were there. You know, just when you go to different countries and you travel, you kind of have a different perspective of life. That's why I'm smiling when you're talking about the Virgin Islands. It's kind of the experience and that's why people talk about don't buy, you know, don't spend all your money on material things. Spend money on experience, right.

Speaker 1: 16:14

And when we went there, it was so impactful for me. It was one of my favorite places in the world. Of course it's Dubai, the. It was so much fun and it was so peaceful. They had like a saxophone player and playing like, like modern music, but like with a saxophone, you know. And the food was amazing. The. The cabanas were like um, the design of the cabanas. I've never seen anything like that before. Just the layout of the pool was very comfortable. People just truly enjoyed it. You know, just it was big enough for everyone just kind of lay out and hang out, and it wasn't too busy. It was just the. Just the vibe was like damn, you're perfect, right, and I really I really love the backstory of that square and I like the culture of that and that's why I was like, well, shoot man, if I can bring that kind of feel for me, I want other people to feel that, even though they're not in Dubai.

Speaker 2: 16:58

I know exactly what you know what I'm trying to.

Speaker 1: 16:59

I'm trying to bring that feeling of it and, honestly, it was the best, because I remember sitting there and I was so thankful because I had lost everything in 08, man, and I was kind of rebuilding at the time and so when I got there and I'm like I got a chance to look at all the cranes, it's like it's almost like this world we're. So we look at the world in our own eyes and we're like we're in, we're stuck in our own world, right, but when you travel you realize like the world's so much bigger than you think it is on a day-to-day basis and it when you look at things, like you said, you're, you're.

Speaker 1: 17:29

You're now around people that are much smarter than you. You're a lot, you know, it's humbling and that's where I think's happened. I'm just, I've been around so many different people and have traveled and I've been humbled so much that I want to, I want to continue that feeling. It makes me better, you know, and I want to bring that culture to Lake Havasu, where people may not be able to afford to get there, but they're going to be able to experience the feeling of it, and I think that's the and when.

Speaker 1: 17:53

I think I've always learned from other um, let's just call it mentors in the business, where, if you're able to provide that type of experience for people, you're going to do well right. It's always about the experience you're going to deliver for people and that's really, ultimately, what I'm trying to do. So a Dubai inspired design pool in like little old Lake Havasu, like nobody would have ever thought about that, and now that we're kind of talking about it and people are hearing about it, like my own kind of close friends and network, they're telling me that people are just excited about it. They can't wait to, you know, see it actually happen. Is it really going to happen? You know all that fun stuff. So it's uh, it was important for me to align with the right group and you guys kept coming up and so and you weren't just referred by Dennis, there was a couple of other people that brought you guys up and uh, and that's a testament to your guys's uh track record, but also your integrity, because this is a small town man, so it's it's not easy.

Speaker 2: 18:42

I mean, as you know it's, it's always a struggle. But you know I love it, it's my passion. So you know, when I heard about the paradigm job, I actually Den the old owner of sandcastle. I got a heads up on it and in my mind I was like I want this job, like I know what I know and I know how hard I've been working. I just got to. You know, I got to build the pool.

Speaker 1: 19:12

Like I, like I want that pool. Yeah, I got to build the pool. I love it, all right. So let's talk a little bit about the uh, and I appreciate that it's really cool, cause I knew people were thinking about it. We got a lot of phone calls. I mean, even still to this day, I mean people are hitting me up hey, we do HVAC, you know whatever, but I, we, it was very important that we select the right group. Uh, let's talk a little bit about the design of the pool. Like, let's talk about when I, when we sat down and we showed you what we were doing, and you went back and you're like okay, well, I think, cause right to that, you know, I think there's been a lot of work I've been putting in with the architectural drawing side of it too.

Speaker 2: 19:52

I've been taking, you know, 3d Basecamp Google puts it on. I go to their courses really trying to focus on, you know, a good set of drawings and rendering. So when I met you, I think in my mind I really wanted to step outside and, you know, a little bit more than what I normally would have, because I wanted the job so much, just to show you, you know, the passion that I have and you know that I feel like I'm the right guy and I was hoping it was a good fit. So I wanted to, you know, take it into SketchUp and draw it and give you a professional rendering, which typically I would sign a design contract for. But in this case I wanted the job and the bigger jobs and the cool stuff is where my passion's at, the cutter stuff and, you know, the basic pool spa. That's fine, you know, and it's cool. It keeps everything going. But for me, you know, 20, 20 years, it's I'm you need something new, doing the little stuff like I'm ready for the bigger stuff, so um and the commercial.

Speaker 1: 21:04

The commercial compliance is completely different than residential compliance right, right, and it changes all the time.

Speaker 2: 21:10

I mean just through the course of, you know, the riviera pool and the changes that that we saw there. I mean things are constantly changing.

Speaker 1: 21:18

Kids are always drowning and you know it's, it's always, you know yeah, you gotta and you always have to can be on your, on your toes, because you can get caught up building it the wrong way and they're like you're not passing inspection, rip it all out.

Speaker 2: 21:31

Right. I think that happened not too long ago in like Texas or something. A kid got sucked to the bottom of a main drain and eviscerated. Oh my goodness. It wasn't plumbed correctly and I can't remember when, but I heard something about that, so it's a big deal. You got to know what you're doing and doing things the right way.

Speaker 1: 21:49

So tell me a little bit about the water feature.

Speaker 2: 21:53

So the water feature.

Speaker 1: 21:55

So, by the way, real quick, before you start, for everybody that's listening to this, if you know me well enough, I have like these big visions and everyone's like that is really, really cool. I'm going to see how I can make it actually work. So, uh, steve's been able to kind of dig his heels in and see how we can do this one water feature that normally doesn't have a water feature, because the actual uh no, the actual one does have a water feature. It does, yeah, so the one in dubai actually has a water. A sheet of water comes right through the middle of it, does it?

Speaker 2: 22:22

actually I didn't see any pictures I'm pretty sure I'll look it up right now the first thing I started doing was hunting and looking at everything through that. But, um, I'm pretty sure it does. I mean that's essentially the focal point of that pool. So, uh, rick chafee is actually, uh, he's the owner of a company called Red Rock Pools. He's and I told Rick I was going to mention him on this podcast and that I look at him like a mentor.

Speaker 2: 22:51

But people look at him I mean a lot of his colleagues and every time I go to a Water Shapes event, you know all these other people that are on his level. They openly say he's the best pool builder in the world. And anyone listening if you look up Rick Chafee at Red Rock Pools, he builds amazing projects. The guy's a genius. He's got a bachelor's in construction science and he's one of those guys. When you talk to him like someone like me in the industry, pool industry you talk to him and he's just loaded with knowledge. So I actually have him. He's also one of my teachers at water shapes, so he's he's one of the. He's the guy building out the plan set for your pool.

Speaker 2: 23:34

So I was talking to Rick and he's like dude, this water features badass. He's like you gotta, you gotta talk them into doing a, a printing rain descent or a digital rain curtain. And I'm like Rick, what are you talking about? Like I've never heard of a. You know a digital rain curtain and he sends me a couple videos and what it does is it actually prints animations and colors through the water. So like, for your sake, you had mentioned you were going to do, you know, potentially rent it out for weddings or birthday parties or things like that? Well now, had mentioned you were going to do, you know, potentially rent it out for weddings or birthday parties or things like that? Well now, what that would allow you to do is personalize the pool to the people you know, whoever's wedding it is, you know, congratulations, mrs Whoever. And you could take your paradigm logo and make it look like it's rotating in a circle and animated or in a sheet of water, in a sheet of water, that the water is the printer.

Speaker 2: 24:28

So, um, really cool feature. Um, you don't, you won't know it's there and it'll come alive at night. So it's kind of one of those added little bonuses that people won't know is there unless they show up in the evening hours dude, how cool is that man?

Speaker 1: 24:44

well, I remember we were talking about I think you brought it to my attention Do we want to have that?

Speaker 2: 24:47

Right.

Speaker 1: 24:48

And I'm like you know what? Yeah, I kind of do Right. So you brought a good idea, because you know I was looking at, there was a I don't know if you did the pool, I know Ryan was involved with it, I think when I saw them like guys are doing that out here, heck, that's awesome. And then, and then you brought it up right after that, I'm like, yeah, if we can get a sheet of water to go through this, that'd be killer.

Speaker 2: 25:15

Um, I think you know, when you look, if you're trying to rent the space out for a wedding, there's always that little thing that makes the person say, hey, let's do it here, Whether it's the photo or the surrounding or just the space as a whole. So, you know, I'm hoping we can make that work and because I think it'll be one of those features that you know, that person that might not have rented it out would rent it out for that reason.

Speaker 1: 25:45

So well, you know, honestly, I love that. You know, one of the things I thought was very professional is when I walk into, like other, let's say, an office, and, like you say, you have a screen that says, hey, welcome, ryan, you know, thanks for joining us today.

Speaker 1: 25:56

Like just kind of like it's cheesy but very professional. I know that sounds weird, but when you're doing that for someone who wants to rent out the space, I think that's really cool. Happy birthday this person. Or hey, welcome for joining, thanks for joining us, or whatever it is. I think there's. I think it just shows like polish, you know, and I wanted absolutely and that's, if you haven't noticed yet, that's how I like to kind of. I I'd like to think paradigm has that polish um?

Speaker 2: 26:20

I mean, I think it does absolutely yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1: 26:22

Yeah, so we. You know it was funny because I remember the first time we talked I said hey, just do me a favor, just make sure you guys deliver on this pool. I do not want to be hung up on my co and you're like, I got you and you actually beat it. You've been beating everybody else to the punch. You're ready to go everybody else.

Speaker 2: 26:36

We're waiting for everyone else pretty much. I mean final details on this digital rain curtain and if we can pull it off and it makes sense with the budget, and then you know decking choices and couple little things and we're ready to go to adq.

Speaker 1: 26:49

So did you ever go with dennis up to that property he has in the foothills? I didn't uh go take a look at it. I went up there the other day because the decking that you have on the riviera I like it, don't get me wrong but the decking that he has up at that pool.

Speaker 1: 27:02

And now it's two different worlds, because that's residential urine commercial. But he does think, and dennis is smart but he's not always right, you know, if, if we can use the material he's got up there for the decking for this one, I'd love it, man you should see it's pretty cool.

Speaker 2: 27:15

Uh, I haven't told you yet, but I talked to rick about that and it's an r11. Finish on that, and that roughness does work with adq centers. So we can use that porcelain decking, so I I didn't think we'd be able to but anything.

Speaker 1: 27:31

R11 and beyond it, it works well, when I went up there and I mean it's actually, I mean it's pretty, it's pretty impressive, how, how sticky. In essence it is right that grit was impressive. I was like yeah, you can get this wet and you're no one's slipping on this thing it's I would.

Speaker 2: 27:46

It's, in today's times, probably the most popular decking and the most, I mean, for the people that are going modern and you know an up-to-date look. I don't think there's a better look in decking.

Speaker 1: 28:01

We're using it quite a bit right now.

Speaker 2: 28:03

Especially with the porcelain turndown edging where the decking actually waterfalls into the pool, no coping overhang. So, uh, very popular and it's a good look. So we did get that approval.

Speaker 1: 28:15

We can use that and it doesn't get as hot either. No, that's a big deal, yeah I mean everything's gonna get hot.

Speaker 2: 28:21

But yeah, everything's gonna get hot out here, man. Yeah, the ground, the dirt's hot 20 feet deep.

Speaker 1: 28:26

You know it's hot, man out here but it's not going to be as hot. I think people can get out of the pool and kind of walk, you know, at a decent pace, and get under undercover and be okay yeah it didn't look like it when I because I was out there I actually put my hands on the ground and sat on it for a second. I know your feet are a little more sensitive than your hands, but I'm sitting there going like this isn't bad. Yeah, if you're moving, you're, you're not bad.

Speaker 2: 28:46

It's not as bad as a concrete paver. A concrete paver is going to get hotter, so yeah, so that product is great.

Speaker 1: 28:51

Yeah, so we, uh, you know, obviously. So, let's, let's just talk about the process for you. So when would you ultimately engage? So you know, we're going to do, we're ultimately going to do the foundation for both the gym itself, the building, and then we're going to start the parking structure. So, would you know, I know a lot of guys up here, like, for example, in the foothills where I live, a lot of the builders are actually building the pools and digging the pools and gun outing the pools before they actually start doing the foundation of the house, even though they have enough room to maneuver back there. But you know, is that something you do? What would you? How are you? How are you? Where are you going to fit in on the construction process?

Speaker 2: 29:25

so, um, we do that. I mean, I got two going like that right now. We're in there digging the pool and there's no house but elevations and you really have to have everyone on the same page, because the concrete guy goes out and they're setting the forms and maybe their laser hasn't been calibrated for a year and they're setting their you know transit out, you know 50 feet away, and they get beam dispersal and but you know, maybe they're a half inch off, but we got, you know, a set of adq plans where our deck slope has to be perfect. So that's what worries me. Um, we typically only go in before there's a height at least, like a, like you know, or something to go off of. If, if we don't have access or we're going to lose that, that's, that's when we'll go in, but otherwise it's, it's a. You're putting more risk in there than you need to.

Speaker 2: 30:24

I would say because by the time we come in and we get that thing to shotcrete and we're ready to finish I mean there's so many things going on with that that parking structure alone you're doing I mean I'm sure dennis is gonna have you know it's all precast concrete. So putting that together and subs to do something like that, I'm sure that's a struggle.

Speaker 1: 30:44

Oh, dude, we're. You know we've. It's hard to find guys that are actually doing that and can do it out here now. We found a couple of groups and I think we're fine, but my actual biggest concern was putting up the structural steel, because that cantilever in essence cover that's going off the back of the gym is basically right over the pool. It's real close.

Speaker 2: 31:04

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 31:04

And I think they're going to have to have. I mean, that stuff's craned in for sure, you know. So, and I don't think I think what they're trying to do is not have any type of welding on site. They may have to. We're trying to move, maneuver around that right now. I think we're finalizing some of the engineering there, um, but they may have to. That one. That one piece has been its own problem, child, right, you know, from weight load to wind load, to all that stuff. So we kind of got the box of the gym, then it was how to get the pulley system for the car, and then it was that, that, that that uh overhang really in that, you know. So I was talking to Dennis. I said, dennis, I know we're kind of going through, you know logistics, but have you thought about when you were starting the pool compared to when we're going to erect this?

Speaker 1: 31:45

And he's like I think we're going to do all the structural, get all the foundation and structural up first before we start digging that pool I would agree, sense, yeah, yeah because I have a sticky feeling that right where that pool would be is where they're going to put that crane, to get that stuff up on that side, because that is a whole another. I mean, you can boom over, no problem, but you know it depends on how much we want to spend on a freaking crane right.

Speaker 2: 32:04

and then even if if the pool was at shot creek and they're cutting steel and all those metal shards and stuff, and maybe we cleaned them all out, but we can't tell.

Speaker 2: 32:12

And then we got rust spots coming through. So I mean, the way I see it, if there's a lot to get done and once the back finishes on and you guys are working on the inside stuff, or I mean ultimately I don't know the timeline but I would say at minimum elevations and heights and then we move in. So yeah, elevations and heights, and then we move in.

Speaker 1: 32:31

So yeah, I would agree, control that yeah, we'll talk to dennis oh, I was talking to him about it, he's. I think that's the way we'll end up doing it and I would agree, but that we're actually going to get the. The parking structure is going to be up first. Oh, really, yeah, the parking structure is probably going to go up first, before the actual building, so the parking structure goes up and then the building goes up.

Speaker 1: 32:46

That's how we're going to do it yeah, because that that parking structure, again we just they're, you know, architects and engineers are like we just want to maneuver around that and not have any problems. So, you know, foundation for both and then, and then we'll do the parking structure and then right after that we're going to go vertical on structural steel.

Speaker 2: 33:02

Nice yeah, so it's pretty cool. I think a lot of people are excited for this thing to get done, so Well, it's crazy because, you know, when I fly out of here, I'm over.

Speaker 1: 33:09

I see, I see the project all the time and I'm just like itch. You can only imagine what it's like to be in my shoes right now. You know I'm like, oh, can we just please start? You know I'm sitting on the Capitol, I need to go, I need to go.

Speaker 2: 33:25

So we're, you know we're just biting at the bit and I'm going to.

Speaker 1: 33:28

I'm like I want things to slow down and now I'm like I want something to speed up, like that. So, yeah, we're really excited. We keep getting good PR. You may or may not know this, but some of our investors are even in the city council. Oh, really, yeah, so we're getting a lot of support, as you can imagine. So, that helps yeah.

Speaker 2: 33:53

They just actually opened an RFQ the rf stuff and all that with city government jobs. I'm still learning it.

Speaker 2: 33:58

But uh, they opened a rfq on a pool project um the community pool right uh expansion at the aquatic center yeah so I I did a went to a city council meeting a few weeks ago and I'd heard some rumors on you know what was going out for plans and stuff. So that's another project where I'm like well, which you know, it's a giant lap pool and it's not quite as cool or I wouldn't say anything fancy like what you're doing. But for me it was like well, you know and these are rumors who, who's saying 250000 for a set of plans on this?

Speaker 1: 34:33

I know I wasn't going to go down that road, but I'm hearing stories.

Speaker 2: 34:36

Are you guys nuts? Whoever's watching watch, and I think the goal for me, though, was we don't need to spend that. Put that towards the bridge that you're building across, because I can get a set of plans from Rick Chafee, the guy just mentioned, who is arguably the best pool builder in the world, for like $26,000 built out ready. This guy builds rooftop pools the best of the best with acrylic windows and, just you know, resort style backyards, multimillion. He does like 20 pools a year, and they're all you know $2 million, $3 million, $20 million projects, and he's the best. So you know, rick, and I talked about it before I did that, that meeting, and I was, you know, when I went in there which I'd never done, a city council meeting I was nervous and you know whatever, but that that was what I said.

Speaker 2: 35:28

I was like, well, you know, keep it in town and you know, whatever. But that, that was what I said. I was like, well, you know, keep it in town and you know, give me a shot at it and let's do a design build. And you know, just just see, and whoever this other guy is bidding or whoever the other, whatever, you know, consider us all. And they did decide to do design build, and then they released that rfq today, so I printed it out.

Speaker 1: 35:51

That's another one, though I'm excited, so I'll start if you can somehow, some way say oh, by the way, I'm doing paradigms pool, you know, out there at the gym. That may help because I know you know, commercial, you know, and obviously you're going to talk about you did the riviera right. So if you can kind of get both of those in there, I think you're gonna be like, okay, well, that's well, that's going to be a good bet to maybe try.

Speaker 2: 36:10

A lot of you know what we're doing, what people are doing with these bigger projects too. A lot of it comes down to resources. So, you know, one of the great things I have is with water shapes. It's it's like a fraternity. So all these top pool builders, you know I'll call Rick, the guy's busy he answers my call almost every single time. Or bill drakeley, who sits on, you know, uh, you know the aci board shock creep. You know all these guys. When I get into these situations where you need to know the right answer and you know how that goes people, you know they. They come off as knowing what's right, but is it right? So you know resources and getting these high-end projects done, who are you going to call? Who's giving you you know the answers on what to do? And for me I got these. You know a handful of these guys in my corner. So when I'm, when I'm looking for information that I don't know it's coming from these guys that are, you know literally the best, yeah, literally the best.

Speaker 2: 37:12

So, um, and and that was kind of you know what fueled me with the city thing behind, because you know when I'm talking to rick about it and rick's like, no, like you need to go down there like they're telling you to do yeah, so we'll see what happens. I'm excited about that too, but but maybe probably more so, just to you know, do something for the city, like I look at it, like that.

Speaker 1: 37:38

So you're helping the community, right? Yeah, it's close to your heart. Yeah, right on man. Well, dude, steve is. It's an honor to have you here, man. It's a very enlightening to even get to know more about your background. You know, I really appreciate it.

Speaker 2: 37:47

The relationship the friendship's been great.

Speaker 1: 37:49

I'm really looking forward to getting this done and putting that in our you know another, you know feather in our quiver, if you will, and I think it'd be really cool to do all the marketing for this. So when this thing is built and done, we're going to do some cross-pollinating marketing to continue to build awareness to how strong you guys are at the game and for those of you that